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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Dava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dava</dc:creator>
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		<description>Tishrei – Merely commenting on the post of Loren who seemed to ascribe some &#039;heavenly&#039; concept re the farmer&#039;s responsibilty to the sheep he was &#039;looking after&#039;.

Surely, the farmer&#039;s only concern was that he didn&#039;t want to lose the animals &amp; so minimise the profits of his activities. To put his concern down to anything of a celestial nature is sheer hypocrisy. Sheep are kept for no other purpose than the utilisation of their wool &amp; flesh. That was my point.

However, I must also observe that your comments show that you have a somewhat transcendental outlook on life &amp; you talk of a God as if IT were a definite entity &amp; you know IT’s mind. If that is not hypocrisy, that quality does not exist. 

All of the contributors on this post barring myself seem to have a rather cosy celestial outlook on life. Reality is ignored. ALL creatures of this Earth, including humans, have to fend for themselves in order to exist. Humanity, having a superior mind, naturally takes advantage &amp; endeavours to control the rest of the living kingdom, ruthlessly farming plant &amp; animal life in an ever increasing economical manner. Basically, Nature is raw; any wild life documentary shows the true picture.

Don’t regard the beauty of say, flowers, as there for our benefit. Their wonderful colouring etc has, without any doubt, evolved for the future of that particular species.

Our existence is nothing that much more special than any other living organism. Everything living depends for sustenance on other forms of life, from bacteria up. Nature instructs all of life to reproduce; to what end we just don&#039;t know &amp; it&#039;s almost 100% certain that we never will. We can speculate but are INFINITELY short of the necessary knowledge to form a valid judgement.

One’s mind must not be allowed to drown in a sea of Transcendency. 

To ramble on about some God or other keeping IT’S eye on our welfare is just crazy. Witness the natural disasters that have happened in the recent past, ie Haiti, where around ¼ million souls perished with countless others still in trouble. Mystical theosophy is drivel of the first order. I could go on. My web-pages cover a lot of ground relating to the Man-made silliness of Religiosity.

I’m a serious bloke, no wish to offend but I can’t read the stuff that’s on this site without trying to persuade people to walk along the broad avenue of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tishrei – Merely commenting on the post of Loren who seemed to ascribe some &#8216;heavenly&#8217; concept re the farmer&#8217;s responsibilty to the sheep he was &#8216;looking after&#8217;.</p>
<p>Surely, the farmer&#8217;s only concern was that he didn&#8217;t want to lose the animals &amp; so minimise the profits of his activities. To put his concern down to anything of a celestial nature is sheer hypocrisy. Sheep are kept for no other purpose than the utilisation of their wool &amp; flesh. That was my point.</p>
<p>However, I must also observe that your comments show that you have a somewhat transcendental outlook on life &amp; you talk of a God as if IT were a definite entity &amp; you know IT’s mind. If that is not hypocrisy, that quality does not exist. </p>
<p>All of the contributors on this post barring myself seem to have a rather cosy celestial outlook on life. Reality is ignored. ALL creatures of this Earth, including humans, have to fend for themselves in order to exist. Humanity, having a superior mind, naturally takes advantage &amp; endeavours to control the rest of the living kingdom, ruthlessly farming plant &amp; animal life in an ever increasing economical manner. Basically, Nature is raw; any wild life documentary shows the true picture.</p>
<p>Don’t regard the beauty of say, flowers, as there for our benefit. Their wonderful colouring etc has, without any doubt, evolved for the future of that particular species.</p>
<p>Our existence is nothing that much more special than any other living organism. Everything living depends for sustenance on other forms of life, from bacteria up. Nature instructs all of life to reproduce; to what end we just don&#8217;t know &amp; it&#8217;s almost 100% certain that we never will. We can speculate but are INFINITELY short of the necessary knowledge to form a valid judgement.</p>
<p>One’s mind must not be allowed to drown in a sea of Transcendency. </p>
<p>To ramble on about some God or other keeping IT’S eye on our welfare is just crazy. Witness the natural disasters that have happened in the recent past, ie Haiti, where around ¼ million souls perished with countless others still in trouble. Mystical theosophy is drivel of the first order. I could go on. My web-pages cover a lot of ground relating to the Man-made silliness of Religiosity.</p>
<p>I’m a serious bloke, no wish to offend but I can’t read the stuff that’s on this site without trying to persuade people to walk along the broad avenue of common sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Tishrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tishrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loren, 

That is absolutely the best imagery!!!!  Sure describes us. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loren, </p>
<p>That is absolutely the best imagery!!!!  Sure describes us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Tishrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tishrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Harlequin, 

Thanks.  I&#039;m back now, not sporadic but really back.  Hard to believe so much time has passed since I&#039;ve been online.  I also have TONS of email to get through. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Harlequin, </p>
<p>Thanks.  I&#8217;m back now, not sporadic but really back.  Hard to believe so much time has passed since I&#8217;ve been online.  I also have TONS of email to get through.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Tishrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tishrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks -- I am really back now. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8212; I am really back now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Tishrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tishrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Margaret, 

I also like the sweet singing of the little birds as opposed to the larger cawing of the crows.  In my backyard, there are doves, crows, pigeons, hummingbirds, etc.  I set up a bird-feeder and somehow they all seem to share without too much fighting.  It does get rather loud out back sometimes. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Margaret, </p>
<p>I also like the sweet singing of the little birds as opposed to the larger cawing of the crows.  In my backyard, there are doves, crows, pigeons, hummingbirds, etc.  I set up a bird-feeder and somehow they all seem to share without too much fighting.  It does get rather loud out back sometimes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Tishrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tishrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dava, 

First, I apologize for not responding to your comments sooner.  I haven&#039;t been on my blog much since sometime back  in April.  I am finally back for good and plan to respond to all the comments.   

As to this comment, I&#039;m not sure I follow your thoughts.  The sheep, i.e. the believers, will spend eternity with the Lord.  Your statement that humanity exploits all forms of life leads me to believe that you are speaking of sheep literally as in the animal.  If that is what you meant, it is my belief based on scripture, that they will not be destroyed.  They are innocent.  That is a topic that I have wanted to write about. 

I do agree with you that humanity exploits animal life in ways that we find useful.  While there is nothing wrong with using animals for food, we have a duty to humanely treat them.  Humanity, for the most part, does not live up to that duty. 

As to detesting hypocrisy, that is human nature.  We all dislike hypocrisy. However, it seems that you are assigning the label &quot;hypocrite&quot; to Christians.  I don&#039;t know you as I haven&#039;t interacted with you yet but I would like to ask you what you are referring to and why with regards to hypocrisy.  What about my post leads you to believe that I am practicing hypocrisy?  Is it a comment from someone else?   

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dava, </p>
<p>First, I apologize for not responding to your comments sooner.  I haven&#8217;t been on my blog much since sometime back  in April.  I am finally back for good and plan to respond to all the comments.   </p>
<p>As to this comment, I&#8217;m not sure I follow your thoughts.  The sheep, i.e. the believers, will spend eternity with the Lord.  Your statement that humanity exploits all forms of life leads me to believe that you are speaking of sheep literally as in the animal.  If that is what you meant, it is my belief based on scripture, that they will not be destroyed.  They are innocent.  That is a topic that I have wanted to write about. </p>
<p>I do agree with you that humanity exploits animal life in ways that we find useful.  While there is nothing wrong with using animals for food, we have a duty to humanely treat them.  Humanity, for the most part, does not live up to that duty. </p>
<p>As to detesting hypocrisy, that is human nature.  We all dislike hypocrisy. However, it seems that you are assigning the label &#8220;hypocrite&#8221; to Christians.  I don&#8217;t know you as I haven&#8217;t interacted with you yet but I would like to ask you what you are referring to and why with regards to hypocrisy.  What about my post leads you to believe that I am practicing hypocrisy?  Is it a comment from someone else?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Innocent As Doves by Dava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will we ever come to terms with reality?

I do not like to disturb the cosy, sentimental &amp; sanctimonious thoughts of the religious but the question must be asked. Where do the sheep all end up? 

Humanity exploits all forms of life in whatever way we find useful &amp; have always done so.

I detest hypocrisy! The words duplicity &amp; insincerity also come to mind. The denial of REALITY is rampant amongst the religious community. Our own well-being is our paramount concern. That&#039;s NATURE - in the raw! Transcendental thought is pure fantasy; a quality that a lot of us just do not want to recognize!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will we ever come to terms with reality?</p>
<p>I do not like to disturb the cosy, sentimental &amp; sanctimonious thoughts of the religious but the question must be asked. Where do the sheep all end up? </p>
<p>Humanity exploits all forms of life in whatever way we find useful &amp; have always done so.</p>
<p>I detest hypocrisy! The words duplicity &amp; insincerity also come to mind. The denial of REALITY is rampant amongst the religious community. Our own well-being is our paramount concern. That&#8217;s NATURE &#8211; in the raw! Transcendental thought is pure fantasy; a quality that a lot of us just do not want to recognize!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The King&#8217;s Torah &#8211; kill the goyem by miss Jerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>miss Jerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if someone tries hard enough, they will always be able to find a way to justify their evil&quot;,
That&#039;s true. In extrimism (that&#039;s not the same as very orthodox, that&#039;s just fine) radicals abuse religion so that they turn religious values in a way that it serves their evil inclination. Often oppite of what was mentioned, if you take words in Jewish holy books just for what they are in simple meaning. I call myself a religious, observant Jew (am not claiming being a perfect human being). The commandments are created to teach people how to live together not how to kill and die. I haven&#039;t read the book, but if this is written, it&#039;s nonsense. It&#039;s rather turning explaining words the way it suits personal views or interests. This is strictly forbidden in Judaism. It sounds like typically Muslim propaganda. I&#039;m happy, Judaism is not similar to what Islam predicts. If that was so I and many others like me would distance ourself instead of  obeying Torah. Besides if the writers were write, Jewish long history should be one of killing and bloodshed, were ever we lived and are still living. 
I don&#039;t know any fellow Jews going around killing non-Jews. Jews are usually not war lovers. In Torah a few wars are mentionoed that were commanded by G&#039;d to against certain kings living in those times in the land that was called Kena&#039;an. The names of those nations are not existing today. The reason is that they were livinv very sinfull lifes. Very bad people, all of them not just a handful of people. If He would not have commanded the Jews, He would have destroyed those nations Himself maybe using nature disasters. Why the Jews needed to be involved, takes to much to explain here, I think I can comeup with one, but I leave it up to more knoledgebale people to answer that. We Jews should study our Holy Boods and commentaries of the greatest rabbis  and not just man made literature , as is stated literally in Torah, do all the mitsvot, don&#039;t skip anything or add.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if someone tries hard enough, they will always be able to find a way to justify their evil&#8221;,<br />
That&#8217;s true. In extrimism (that&#8217;s not the same as very orthodox, that&#8217;s just fine) radicals abuse religion so that they turn religious values in a way that it serves their evil inclination. Often oppite of what was mentioned, if you take words in Jewish holy books just for what they are in simple meaning. I call myself a religious, observant Jew (am not claiming being a perfect human being). The commandments are created to teach people how to live together not how to kill and die. I haven&#8217;t read the book, but if this is written, it&#8217;s nonsense. It&#8217;s rather turning explaining words the way it suits personal views or interests. This is strictly forbidden in Judaism. It sounds like typically Muslim propaganda. I&#8217;m happy, Judaism is not similar to what Islam predicts. If that was so I and many others like me would distance ourself instead of  obeying Torah. Besides if the writers were write, Jewish long history should be one of killing and bloodshed, were ever we lived and are still living.<br />
I don&#8217;t know any fellow Jews going around killing non-Jews. Jews are usually not war lovers. In Torah a few wars are mentionoed that were commanded by G&#8217;d to against certain kings living in those times in the land that was called Kena&#8217;an. The names of those nations are not existing today. The reason is that they were livinv very sinfull lifes. Very bad people, all of them not just a handful of people. If He would not have commanded the Jews, He would have destroyed those nations Himself maybe using nature disasters. Why the Jews needed to be involved, takes to much to explain here, I think I can comeup with one, but I leave it up to more knoledgebale people to answer that. We Jews should study our Holy Boods and commentaries of the greatest rabbis  and not just man made literature , as is stated literally in Torah, do all the mitsvot, don&#8217;t skip anything or add.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The King&#8217;s Torah &#8211; kill the goyem by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand from this article that you didn&#039;t read the commentary, but accepted as true a news story about it. I also haven&#039;t read it and I agree if it says what you said the article said about it, it is indeed shocking... however, in similar cases in the past the Israel media has fabricated stories about Rabbi&#039;s whose politics they oppose. Taking small phrases from books way out of context and re-interpreting them to signify a &quot;Jewish&quot; Jihad philosophy.  I&#039;d be careful and double-check your facts.  I&#039;ll also see if I can find a copy of the original to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand from this article that you didn&#8217;t read the commentary, but accepted as true a news story about it. I also haven&#8217;t read it and I agree if it says what you said the article said about it, it is indeed shocking&#8230; however, in similar cases in the past the Israel media has fabricated stories about Rabbi&#8217;s whose politics they oppose. Taking small phrases from books way out of context and re-interpreting them to signify a &#8220;Jewish&#8221; Jihad philosophy.  I&#8217;d be careful and double-check your facts.  I&#8217;ll also see if I can find a copy of the original to read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Internet Discussion Groups by wdavison</title>
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		<dc:creator>wdavison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlequin - You’re asking for orderliness. Where in Religiosity do we find that specific quality. Blind ‘Belief’ has no rationality or order at all. 

That ‘screed ‘of mine is the best I can do to to resolve the truth relating to Religiosity. Can you in all conscience do any better?

More Screed follows – You have been warned.

Pursuing truth DEMANDS a conscience. In all walks of life, practices change continually in order to cater for fairness in the social order. As with everything else, Ethics &amp; Morality are BOUND to change thro time. Evolution is it’s name. Should not need an ‘intellectual’ mind to appreciate that fact.

If you insist on something concrete, you need go no further than the subject under discussion at this moment. The decline of religious belief is certainly apparent, at least in my part of the World – UK &amp; also France – (scrap the burka). Climate change is also generating differences in ethical behaviour. You’re not alive if you can’t see the problems in ethicality being revealed daily.

Decisions to abolish the death penalty for serious crime is another. Backward countries, largely God-fearing, still retain barbaric practices, some extremely so, in dealing with these matters. 

May the wisdom now amongst us – Rid us of this cloying fungus
Let’s all rejoice in Logic’s role – And bury the bunkum down a hole!

Harlequin, please stop waffling &amp; justify the silly belief that some Almighty Essence is having a say in human life. Why should Humanity be favoured to the exclusion of all other forms of life? The answer to that one is in your mind. We alone have the brainpower to generate ANY absurd belief.

I don&#039;t spend much time getting ginned up over Religiosity, The subject is very difficult to dodge whilst listening, viewing or reading the media. After the best part of 90 years of it, it amazes me that some still cling to it’s authenticity. Brainwashing is the reason it survives. Like any dopey intake, it’s a real problem trying to get it out of one’s system, especially if it’s absorbed early in life. 

At birth, we come into this world knowing nothing of the past &amp; I&#039;m afraid we shall depart, gurgling down the plug hole of Oblivion. The latter beckons, not Heaven or Hell. Our learning though, is passed on thro the following generations. It’s examined, the profitable bits are retained, the rubbish discarded. Until your celestial &amp; spiritual views are discarded, or at least recognized, you will always have a need to deny the falseness of religiosity &amp; retain some of the rubbish.

Whilst we&#039;re here, Evolution improves the conditions re our ethical existence, partly by our own efforts. That&#039;s NATURE working, not a fictitious God!

PS - I must confess to owning a copy of that illustrious work, The Bible, but I hasten to add that it was acquired for the sole purpose of facilitating the SOLVATION of Xwords, not the SALVATION of my soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlequin &#8211; You’re asking for orderliness. Where in Religiosity do we find that specific quality. Blind ‘Belief’ has no rationality or order at all. </p>
<p>That ‘screed ‘of mine is the best I can do to to resolve the truth relating to Religiosity. Can you in all conscience do any better?</p>
<p>More Screed follows – You have been warned.</p>
<p>Pursuing truth DEMANDS a conscience. In all walks of life, practices change continually in order to cater for fairness in the social order. As with everything else, Ethics &amp; Morality are BOUND to change thro time. Evolution is it’s name. Should not need an ‘intellectual’ mind to appreciate that fact.</p>
<p>If you insist on something concrete, you need go no further than the subject under discussion at this moment. The decline of religious belief is certainly apparent, at least in my part of the World – UK &amp; also France – (scrap the burka). Climate change is also generating differences in ethical behaviour. You’re not alive if you can’t see the problems in ethicality being revealed daily.</p>
<p>Decisions to abolish the death penalty for serious crime is another. Backward countries, largely God-fearing, still retain barbaric practices, some extremely so, in dealing with these matters. </p>
<p>May the wisdom now amongst us – Rid us of this cloying fungus<br />
Let’s all rejoice in Logic’s role – And bury the bunkum down a hole!</p>
<p>Harlequin, please stop waffling &amp; justify the silly belief that some Almighty Essence is having a say in human life. Why should Humanity be favoured to the exclusion of all other forms of life? The answer to that one is in your mind. We alone have the brainpower to generate ANY absurd belief.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t spend much time getting ginned up over Religiosity, The subject is very difficult to dodge whilst listening, viewing or reading the media. After the best part of 90 years of it, it amazes me that some still cling to it’s authenticity. Brainwashing is the reason it survives. Like any dopey intake, it’s a real problem trying to get it out of one’s system, especially if it’s absorbed early in life. </p>
<p>At birth, we come into this world knowing nothing of the past &amp; I&#8217;m afraid we shall depart, gurgling down the plug hole of Oblivion. The latter beckons, not Heaven or Hell. Our learning though, is passed on thro the following generations. It’s examined, the profitable bits are retained, the rubbish discarded. Until your celestial &amp; spiritual views are discarded, or at least recognized, you will always have a need to deny the falseness of religiosity &amp; retain some of the rubbish.</p>
<p>Whilst we&#8217;re here, Evolution improves the conditions re our ethical existence, partly by our own efforts. That&#8217;s NATURE working, not a fictitious God!</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I must confess to owning a copy of that illustrious work, The Bible, but I hasten to add that it was acquired for the sole purpose of facilitating the SOLVATION of Xwords, not the SALVATION of my soul.</p>
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